In the first episode of Hälsodjungeln, Glimja’s health expert Emma Köhn meets health coach and public health scientist Frida Nyman for a conversation about holistic health, gut health, and an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. They discuss everything from diet, sleep, and stress to why small, sustainable changes are often more valuable than extreme diets and health trends.
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Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (00:00)
You’re now one of our health experts.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (00:04)
Yes, it’s great fun.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (00:07)
We’re really excited to have you as part of the team and to benefit from your knowledge. We’ll cover all kinds of topics during this episode, but I thought you could start by telling us a little about yourself and your background.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (00:28)
Absolutely. I’m a public health scientist by training and have worked with public health issues for several years. I’m also a health coach, nutrition advisor, and trained stress educator. I’m truly passionate about health, and I have been for a long time.
Over the past few years, I’ve run my own business, helping individuals strengthen their health in various ways. I’m very interested in plant-based diets, gut health, stress, and the nervous system, as well as how all of these affect us. I also find it fascinating how simple tools can have such a powerful impact on our health. Many of these things are free, too—small changes can make a big difference.
So I guess you could call me a health nerd.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (01:30)
Like everyone at Glimja. That’s really the common thread here. Today, we’re going to dig into how everything is connected.
Since this is the first episode, I’d also like to briefly introduce myself to those of you who don’t know me. Some of you may recognize my name from the newsletters or Glimja’s blog posts. That’s where I’ve appeared before, and now I’m here too. I’m really looking forward to hosting conversations with all the health experts we have at Glimja, and I’m glad you’re the first guest.
Let’s start from the beginning: you’re a hairdresser by training. How did you get into health?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (02:24)
In high school, I thought I wanted to become a hairdresser, but I quickly realized that it wasn’t the right path for me. I’ve always been interested in health, but that interest grew stronger as I got older. That’s when I found a university program called the Public Health Program.
I studied public health at university for five years, and that’s when my interest in health really took off. The fact that I could also work in health and make a living from it felt fantastic. Since then, I’ve just kept going and learned more and more.
I’ve also been on my own health journey. So I’ve learned both through my studies and through my own experiences. I had severe digestive problems, aches throughout my body, and joint problems, and a holistic perspective on health helped me enormously.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (03:41)
When did those problems start? Neither of us is particularly old, so it sounds early to have such issues.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (03:49)
My digestive problems started very early. They weren’t extremely serious at first, but they got worse over the years. Eventually, it felt like I completely crashed. Often, you reach a point where you feel that you really have to do something.
You may not get the help you need from healthcare, or you may not find out what’s wrong. Then you start looking for ways to feel better yourself. That’s how I discovered holistic health, natural tools, and the effort to understand the root cause of why you feel the way you do. What’s behind the symptoms, and what can you do yourself to feel better?
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (04:44)
Let’s go back a bit: public health science is quite a broad term. Many people may think of the pandemic when they hear “public health.” What does the degree actually involve?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (05:03)
Public health is a very broad subject, and you can work in many different areas. One is lifestyle habits, which I myself have worked with extensively. For example, you can work with eating habits, mental health, and the work environment.
There are also areas such as infection control, which many people became more familiar with during the pandemic. Essentially, you learn how to promote health at different levels of society—individual, group, and societal—and look at what authorities, municipalities, and other stakeholders can do.
You also learn about the determinants of health: which factors strengthen our health and which have a negative impact on it. It’s a very broad and interesting field.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (06:11)
I can imagine that it’s very rewarding to build on that with other qualifications, as you have done.
You also work with clients one-to-one. What kinds of problems do people come to you with?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (06:38)
I’m quite focused on gut health, but also on other chronic and long-term symptoms where people may feel they aren’t getting the right help from conventional healthcare.
At the same time, I always want to emphasize that Sweden has excellent emergency care and care for seriously ill patients. It is incredibly important. But I believe we need to get better at combining it with a more holistic perspective.
Doctors often have limited time and may not have time to ask about stress, eating habits, sleep, relationships, and other aspects of life. That can leave people feeling that they are not receiving all the support they need.
Many people who come to me have, for example, IBS or other digestive issues that severely limit their lives. Others have pain, bloating, or other vague symptoms. When healthcare providers cannot find a clear explanation, there may be a need for more support and guidance regarding lifestyle and the bigger picture.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (08:28)
I’d like to pause on the concept of holistic health, since it is used quite a lot. What does holistic health mean to you?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (08:50)
For me, holistic health is about looking at the whole picture. Many different things affect our health, and we need to have the basic elements in place to feel well.
We need to sleep well and get good-quality sleep. We need to eat food that provides nourishment and energy and supports gut health. We need healthy relationships and a sense of meaning in life. Stress also affects our entire system.
You don’t have to be perfect in every area, but you often need to work on several aspects at the same time. It may not be enough to focus intensely on just one thing. For one person, diet may be the most important factor, while someone else may also need to work on their relationships, change jobs, do more of what they enjoy, or stop pushing themselves to the limit.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (10:23)
It’s difficult in the society we live in today, which is often designed for us to push ourselves.
If you have vague symptoms, such as chronic fatigue or headaches, supplements are not necessarily the first thing you look at. You look at the whole individual.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (10:52)
Exactly. The foundation needs to be in place. You can start by reviewing your situation: what do I specifically need to improve, and what can I start adjusting?
Supplements can absolutely be important if you have nutritional deficiencies or something similar, but the basics need to be in place. A supplement will rarely be the only thing you need if you’re also eating a lot of highly processed food or not prioritizing your sleep.
It’s about addressing the root causes. Diet is an incredibly important part and, I would say, one of the most important foundations.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (11:58)
If we were to name four or five cornerstones, what would they be?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (12:08)
Sleep, good food and nutrition, movement, emotional health, and mental health.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (12:24)
I think emotional health is the part many people forget. It’s easier to focus on diet because it’s something concrete that you can physically engage with, while the other areas can feel more vague and difficult.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (12:48)
Yes, and it can also be about the mental side: What thoughts do you feed yourself throughout the day? What beliefs do you hold about yourself, others, and the world? Our thoughts affect our feelings and actions.
In my own journey, reviewing my thought patterns has been an important part. Thoughts and feelings also create reactions in the body.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (13:29)
Do you have any concrete tools for that? Journaling, for example, is very popular right now.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (13:43)
Absolutely. What people like varies, but writing down your thoughts and feelings and reminding yourself what you are grateful for can be very beneficial.
I personally really enjoy meditation and visualization. I also use body-based tools that work with the senses and bodily awareness to calm the nervous system.
I have a broad toolkit and believe you should try different things to find what works for you. Just because I love visualization meditations doesn’t mean they are right for someone else. However, there are certain basic things that apply to all of us: we need to sleep and eat well. No one thrives on highly processed food and soda seven days a week.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (15:05)
You advocate an anti-inflammatory lifestyle, where the diet is largely plant-based. I think food can feel overwhelming for many people, especially if they are used to processed foods. Many people think they have to make enormous changes from one day to the next. Where do you start?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (15:46)
I see many people in the health world recommending diets and cleanses that are very difficult to maintain over time and may not even be what people need.
What we need is a large proportion of food from the plant kingdom. This helps strengthen the gut microbiome, which in turn has a major impact on the rest of the body, including the immune system, mental health, and skin health.
Many people are also afraid of carbohydrates. Previously, many people were afraid of fat, and now we have a strong focus on protein. I think we need to return to the bigger picture and eat a wide variety of foods from the plant kingdom.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (17:05)
And that applies even if you don’t want to give up meat. Variety from the plant kingdom is still important.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (17:21)
Absolutely. Regardless of what kind of diet you follow, it’s beneficial to include more food from the plant kingdom.
Everyone starts at a different level. You have to start somewhere, and it doesn’t have to be with wheatgrass juice every morning. For some people, going all in works, but for most, I believe in taking one step at a time.
The first step could be to buy some vegetables you like and serve them with lunch or dinner, start having a smoothie once a week, take more walks, go outside in daylight, drink more water, or go to bed earlier. Small steps in the right direction can make a big difference.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (18:43)
What does your everyday life and routine look like?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (18:48)
I’m very much a morning person, although of course not everyone is. The morning is my time of day. I often get up at five and usually eat breakfast fairly soon afterward because I’m very hungry in the morning.
There’s an idea that you have to fast for many hours to be healthy, but that doesn’t suit everyone.
After breakfast, I always get moving in some way, either by going for walks or exercising. I’ve learned to listen closely to my body and sense what I need that particular day.
I also usually do some form of mindfulness, meditation, or visualization meditation. Then my day begins.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (20:10)
That sounds lovely, but if you have a nine-to-five job, need to get to the office quickly, and perhaps drop children off at preschool—what would you advise someone like that to prioritize? You don’t always have time to fit in all the elements.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (20:34)
It depends a lot on the individual’s situation, but I often start with what you put on your plate. Your diet can really change your energy levels, and you have to sort out food every day anyway.
If you’re not used to cooking from scratch, it can feel time-consuming, but a lot of it comes down to habits. If you’re going to cook anyway, healthy food doesn’t have to take much longer. It can actually be easier.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (21:36)
The ingredients are often simpler too. We’ve had a routine for many years where we do food prep on Sundays. That makes the rest of the week much easier, and you don’t have to think every day about what to eat.
Food should of course taste good, but it doesn’t have to be a sensation every time you eat. For example, we can have root vegetables prepared in the fridge and then vary the side dishes—perhaps a salad with mango and avocado one day. The sauces and dressings don’t have to be complicated.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (22:29)
Meal prep is great, as is keeping prepared meals in the freezer if you need them. I also think it is important to stock up on healthy food. When you open the fridge, you want to be inspired by the vegetables and ingredients you see there.
What we have at home is usually what we reach for when we are hungry, especially when we come home tired after work.
If you are used to highly processed food with lots of sugar, salt, and strong flavors, there may also be an adjustment period. Your taste preferences can change, and you may start appreciating simpler, more natural food in a completely different way.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (23:30)
It is incredibly exciting, because it really is possible to change your taste preferences.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (23:33)
Yes, it is possible. At first it can feel difficult because you are not used to it. I grew up with a lot of sweets and sugar myself, and when I was younger I did not think nearly as much about what I was eating.
I have made a huge change and know that it is possible to move away from strong sugar cravings and truly start appreciating healthy food.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (24:12)
I notice it myself. Ordinary milk chocolate can taste incredibly sweet today, even though I used to love it. Now I would rather choose very dark chocolate.
It is exciting that food can feel like a huge change at first, but when you take it step by step and start noticing that you feel better, your preferences also change.
When you learn more about what food does to the body, you can regain a sense of empowerment. You can influence a great deal yourself. Medication may absolutely be necessary, but you are not completely at the mercy of circumstances—there are often things you can do yourself for your health as well.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (25:36)
Yes, diet and other natural tools can make a big difference. Many people are surprised by how much better they can feel when they start improving their gut health and changing their habits.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (26:17)
I also think it is interesting how people sometimes ask: if you do not eat all these products from the store with loads of ingredients, what do you eat then? It says something about how far we have moved away from an understanding of what real food actually is.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (26:56)
Many people may see someone who eats very naturally as extremely healthy, when what they are really doing is eating fairly simple food. Our grocery stores are filled with highly processed products.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (27:23)
When it comes to processed food, what is it about it that can make it so difficult to stop eating, and what does it do to the body?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (27:42)
Highly processed food is very heavily processed and often designed in a way that makes us want to keep eating it. Combinations of flavor, texture, sugar, salt, and fat can make it highly rewarding.
At the same time, the body gets less of what is found in whole foods—for example, fiber and various nutrients. If a large part of the diet consists of highly processed food, it can negatively affect things such as blood sugar, satiety, and gut health.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (28:53)
You work a lot with gut health, and we know that the gut and brain are connected. How can food affect our mental well-being?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (29:18)
The gut and the brain are truly connected, including through the vagus nerve and several different signaling pathways. Gut health isn’t only related to digestive problems, but also to many other aspects of how we feel, such as energy and mental well-being.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (29:54)
And we live in a time when mental well-being really isn’t at its best, so it feels important to keep that in mind.
We touched on how you can be questioned when you choose a different path from the norm. Everything has to happen quickly, you’re supposed to fit in a thousand activities, and perhaps you no longer prioritize spending time in the kitchen. If you feel that something isn’t right but choose to do things differently, it can be scary.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (30:51)
Yes. Choosing your own path instead of doing what everyone else does can lead to people questioning you. But I think you need to create awareness and start checking in with yourself: what’s right for me?
You don’t have to do what everyone else does. Feel what feels right, listen to your intuition, and dare to go your own way. You often find other people who think the same way, too.
And you can inspire others. In my own family, several people have become curious and wanted to try new things. Sometimes we also have preconceptions about how others will react, even though they may not be thinking as negatively as we assume.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (32:06)
It often says something about our own thoughts. I’ve seen the same thing in my family, where, for example, my mother has started living differently and gotten rid of several symptoms.
You’ve also largely chosen to give up alcohol. For our generation, millennials, that can be quite a significant social statement. What has it been like for you?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (33:01)
In general, alcohol consumption has decreased among younger people, which is positive. But when I was growing up and younger, I was definitely questioned because I never really felt that alcohol was for me.
Today, I think people are often more accepting, even though there is still curiosity about why you choose not to drink. I know many people can feel pressured to drink at dinners and social events because that is what is expected. You don’t want to be difficult or be questioned.
I think you can ask the same question here as in other areas: Is this really something I want? The same applies to how hard you push yourself at work or what food you eat. Start questioning the norm and check in with what you yourself want to give your body.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (34:41)
I can really relate to that. For me, changing my relationship with alcohol became almost an identity crisis. These days, I essentially avoid it altogether, with perhaps the occasional exception at a special occasion.
I was diagnosed with epilepsy when I was 18, an age when you may not be particularly receptive to being told that you should be careful with alcohol. For many years, my identity was strongly tied to being the fun girl who went out every weekend. Then questions arise: Who am I if I stop? Will I still have the same friends? Will the invitations keep coming?
But once you come out the other side and notice how much better you feel, the choice becomes easier. And I think the same way about food: it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. You can live in a way that makes you feel good 80 or 90 percent of the time and make exceptions when you genuinely want to, not because you feel pressured.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (36:56)
Exactly. You need to remove the stress of trying to be perfect. There is no perfect way to live.
It often also happens that once you’ve made the change, you choose the healthy option more and more because you know how you’ll otherwise feel. For me, it has been a gradual journey. You start somewhere and then add more things as you get to know yourself and notice what makes you feel good.
I don’t live perfectly now either, and that isn’t the goal. The important thing is to identify the big things that make a difference for you and choose them as often as possible, without creating additional stress.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (38:07)
I think many people feel a great deal of pressure today with all the health advice on social media. One expert after another says that you have to follow their particular diet or method. On top of that, there are all the gadgets—watches and rings that tell you how you’re doing—instead of actually checking in with yourself.
I’m sitting here myself with an Oura Ring, so technology can definitely be interesting. But it mustn’t replace the basics.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (38:45)
Technology can be interesting, but you still have to consider the bigger picture. Many people think they have to do something extreme, such as follow a strict diet, to feel well or heal.
Emma Köhn, health expert at Glimja (39:20)
And often the goal becomes very concrete, such as losing weight or getting fit for the summer, instead of actually feeling good in the long term.
When I say that I eat an anti-inflammatory diet because it makes me feel good, people can almost find that a stranger answer than if I had said I wanted to lose weight. We seem to find concrete goals easier to understand than the feeling of long-term well-being.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (40:11)
Yes, and then people often go all in with both exercise and diet in a way that isn’t sustainable in the long term. You might start counting calories. I don’t do that, nor do I recommend that it’s necessary as a starting point.
Another common mistake is being afraid of entire food groups, such as carbohydrates. Of course, carbohydrates vary in quality, but if you remove them indiscriminately, you may also consume less of the fiber that gut bacteria need.
It’s easy to fixate on a single food or macronutrient instead of considering the bigger picture.
Emma Köhn, health expert at Glimja (41:19)
I was personally terrified of carbohydrates for a while. Health trends have a major impact on people. In the 1990s and early 2000s, many people were instead afraid of fat.
The same applies to fasting—it may suit some people, but you need to be careful about assuming that one method works for everyone.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (42:05)
Yes, we function very differently. A natural overnight fast can be beneficial, but longer fasts aren’t suitable for everyone and can be very stressful for the body.
At the beginning of my own journey, long-term fasting was very popular, and I was desperate to try different approaches. I tried it, but felt incredibly unwell and lost all my energy. It became a clear example of how a method that works for someone else isn’t necessarily right for me.
Emma Köhn, health expert at Glimja (42:59)
And then it’s easy to start questioning yourself: is there something wrong with me because I can’t manage this, when it seems to help other people?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (43:12)
Exactly. You also don’t always know how open other people are about everything they do or how they actually feel. Something may help one person, while another needs something completely different.
Emma Köhn, health expert at Glimja (43:34)
We have talked about the cornerstones of holistic health and a lot about food, but not in as much depth about what an anti-inflammatory lifestyle involves. Can you elaborate?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (43:58)
An anti-inflammatory lifestyle can be very broad and fits in with holistic health. If we focus on diet, it’s about eating food that supports the body, but you can also consider things like skincare, environmental factors, and the utensils you use in the kitchen.
It’s not about becoming perfect, but about reducing unnecessary exposure where you can while prioritizing the big things: sleep, food, movement, and recovery.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (44:50)
It’s probably important to say that you can’t get every aspect perfect. Not everything is available organically, and cost is also a factor. You have to make the best choices you can based on your own circumstances.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (45:28)
Exactly. Many people also think that eating healthily has to be very expensive, but it depends a lot on what you choose. You don’t have to be perfect.
You can’t influence certain environmental factors, but there are often small adjustments you can make to reduce exposure to things you don’t want to be exposed to. That doesn’t mean you need to move out into the woods or never eat at a restaurant again.
When it comes to food, there are also many foods, herbs, and spices that can be interesting to include in a varied diet.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (46:34)
Can you give some examples?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (46:36)
Herbs and spices are very interesting. Turmeric is a classic example, as is ginger. Cloves are also widely used and are interesting from several perspectives.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (46:58)
I want to add a little side tip. I got a tip from an Instagram follower about using turmeric together with coconut oil when brushing your teeth. I actually think it gives a refreshing feeling, even though of course it’s not the same as professional teeth whitening.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (47:46)
It’s fun how much you can make yourself. For example, I make my own deodorant, and you can also make your own skincare products. Today, there’s an incredible amount of inspiration and recipes to be found.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (48:02)
How do you make your deodorant?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (48:06)
I usually use coconut oil, baking soda, and potato starch. If you like, you can also add an organic essential oil, such as lavender, but you can make it completely fragrance-free if you have sensitive skin.
It’s a very simple mixture, and you have to experiment to find out what your skin tolerates.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (48:48)
I’m not quite at the level of making my own deodorant yet, but I use natural deodorant. You also have to experiment with that, since they don’t all work equally well.
These days, though, I make my own cleaning products. It’s much cheaper when you have the basic ingredients at home, and it feels good to keep the home as simple as possible when it comes to products.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (49:32)
How do you do that, then?
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (49:36)
I have an all-purpose cleaner made with baking soda, citric acid, water, and sometimes tea tree oil or lavender oil. I keep a ready-made spray bottle in the cupboard and refill it when needed.
It’s kind of fun to experiment and see what works. But it’s also a process—you don’t have to start with everything at once.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (50:24)
Exactly. You may not start there, but once you become more interested, there’s so much to explore.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (50:33)
We could have talked forever, but as we start to wrap up: if someone listening has been inspired to start eating better or embrace a more holistic lifestyle, what would your advice be? What’s the first step?
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (51:03)
The first step is to become aware of your own situation and then make changes based on it. It may be a tiny step, but that step leads onward along a new path.
Find your why and decide to make a change. You need to be willing to do the work, even if you take it step by step.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (51:38)
It may help to sit down and actually write it down instead of just keeping everything in your head. Then you can consider which path you want to take and which small steps are realistic.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (51:51)
Yes. Get help, read, and gather knowledge, but don’t get stuck just reading. Eventually, you also need to start taking action. Begin with the basics and take the first step toward improving your health—without making it so complicated that it creates stress in itself.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (52:21)
It’s been so much fun talking to you, Frida. Thank you so much. You’re very welcome to come back more times so we can explore individual topics in greater depth.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (52:34)
I’d be happy to.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (52:37)
If you’d like to get in touch with her, you can find her on our website under health experts. You can also go directly to her website, fridanyman.se, and find her on social media.
Thank you so much for today.
Frida Nyman, Health Coach, Nutrition Advisor & Public Health Scientist (53:20)
Thank you, too. It was so much fun to be here.
Emma Köhn, Glimja health expert (53:23)
Absolutely. We’ll schedule another conversation.
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